Eragon

[Kaila Kirchner]

Originally posted by Cody:
If clowns are coming i am definitley leaving. So what was the worst part they messed up? I haven't figured out which one i think they messed up the best. But i want to know what part you think they messed up the best

they definately messed up the length and the fighting parts (that really annoyed me). oh and they totally messed up the begining of eldest.

[spyells]

Yup, they totally messed up the beginning of Eldest. I don't believe everything has been done just because of the simple fact that if god gives someone an inspirational idea they will run with it. As humans our imagination knows no bounds, so I don't believe that everything has been done and I believe that in time you young reader as well as everyone else will see.

[Cody]

Originally posted by Rubywolf:
That's not true! Not EVERYTHING has been done! true, people often copy other people's ideas, but then there are some who don't. I, for instance, can write something completely different with a completely different plotline. Something creative and totally origional. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> i mean, at this point, just about everythings been done, and no matter how clever a writer thinks (s)he is, what they're writing has no doubt been done before...

Things like that are what kills the avant garde movement. DON'T KILL THE AVANTE GARDE MOVEMENT!!!

so what's the point of going on about repeating themes?

True, but then we're just pointing out that it's a reacurring plot. </div>[quote]
Some people seem to think that Chritopher Paolini copied off of Star Wars. They have a valid point. I men, all the dragon riders are killed just like all of the jedi. Then their is just one dragon rider left. Then a new hero emerges out of nowhere. The resistance fights the empire. The empire has two leaders, both evil dragon riders, one related to the hero to make it more intersting. I mean that is just too many coincidences.

[Dragon Writer]

well, i for one hope your right...but i have a hard time accepting the differentiating of plots, when i read wheel of time, which, is a great book, and spot all three of the people the character is going to fall in love with, long before anything happens, and before i can actually figure out how he's going to manage to fall in love with all three. or when i look at movie, and name eveyrthing that's going to happen in it, from plot alone. to me, the joy is not what happens in the end, or any of the individual large points in between but simply how you get there, because that's what matters.
but i always look forward to seeing something new. (plus, if there's new things, the book I"M writing has a chance. :P)
and no matter what else, i go against eragon being called a knock off of star wars, because that kinda plots one of the oldest around...evil seems to be winning, no hero in site, oh look, there's are savior! thems are ancient! which is why i only care about what the auther puts in to make it his/her own.

[Cody]

and no matter what else, i go against eragon being called a knock off of star wars, because that kinda plots one of the oldest around...evil seems to be winning, no hero in site, oh look, there's are savior! thems are ancient! which is why i only care about what the auther puts in to make it his/her own.

Most people seem to think it is a knock off StarWars. I mean it sounds exactly like it. But you are right it is usually like that in all thrillers and adventure movies/books. But can you give me one good reason why you think it isn't? Or sre you just dead set against it being a copy right? Well i am looking forward to reading your answer. *could care less about what Kli says*

[Rubywolf]

chances are though, someone, in the history of time, has thought of something along those lines before...
but my basic point is just that there are too MANY repeating plots to constantly worry about whether its been done before, even if there ARE still things that are unique out there...
particularly considering the fact that said things are usually unique because noboddy wants to read them, so no one wants to write them...

true. It is really annoying. Hence, I don't like Eragon for its plot. I like it because it keeps me from boredom (sometimes.)
However, people do like writing them, and they always do.

[Dragon Writer]

my reason for saying it isn't a knockoff of starwars, is if you call it that, you must also call starwars a knockoff of everything else with the same plot. SInce noboddys doing that, i don't think we can apply it to eragon.

[maxxrox]

Well, isn't this interesting. The last time I posted on this thread, I was arguing that Eragon was a collection of cliches. I cited Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and Pern, among others. Someone (I forget who) suggested that we stop arguing about such a futile topic, since it was based on oppinion, and instead discuss something else about the book. I agreed and stopped reading this thread. I came back, and what do I see, but the same debate repeating itself! Therefore I suggest the same thing that that person did: If you want to criticize Eragon, make a thread about it. Otherwise, let's stop using this thread to force litterary ciriticism down each other's throats.

[Kaila Kirchner]

maxxrox has a point, but there is one problem: if it isn't talked about here, where else? anyway if you don't want to talk negitive about it don't visit the page for it. simple really.

[maxxrox]

Since this book is apparently so controversial, there should be a separate thread for its criticisms. So the next time you want to criticize Eragon, make a new thread!

[Kathy Li]

Err, no. Please don't create a new thread. We've got enough needless thread proliferation going already. Just because someone doesn't like Eragon doesn't mean they shouldn't post about it where you can see it.

However, just because someone doesn't like Eragon doesn't mean they have to be rude about it, either.

The truth remains, however, that people are going to have differing opinions on diverse subjects. Trying to get folks to lock step before posting is ... unrealistic.

Myself, I tend to subscribe to the notion that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. It's hard enough to find something you love--why spoil someone else's party? But I'm hopelessly old-fashioned.

[Rubywolf]

kli6, thank you. Yes, you are old fashioned. *tries to think of something good about Eragon* I like Saphira's character. Oh, you know what's weird? I liked Eldest more than I liked Eragon. I just couldn't get into Eragon. I don't know why. I liked the scene where Saphira finds out that she is not the only dragon alive. The movie spoiled that part in the last scene. I had waited to read Eldest until after I saw the movie, and then the movie goes ahead and spoils it. Thanks, movie directors. Oh well. The special effects were good. There. I'm being Nice. Sorta.

[Dragon Writer]

personally i happen to LIKE debating this subject. It's fun to look at all the different views, as long as noboddy goes over board. if anyone just pretends to agree, things get pretty quite before long...

[Cody]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kli6:
Err, no. Please don't create a new thread. We've got enough needless thread proliferation going already. Just because someone doesn't like Eragon doesn't mean they shouldn't post about it where you can see it.

However, just because someone doesn't like Eragon doesn't mean they have to be rude about it, either.

Who doesn't like Eragon? Thats a crime! lol They shouldn't be allowed to post here if they just are going to stir up trouble. We have enough of that already.

[Kaila Kirchner]

Originally posted by young reader:
personally i happen to LIKE debating this subject. It's fun to look at all the different views, as long as noboddy goes over board. if anyone just pretends to agree, things get pretty quite before long...

i definatly agree with young reader.

was that me that "stired up trouble". if it was i didn't really mean to. trouble usually finds me.