Does anyone here belive in magic?

[singer]

quote:
Originally posted by singer:

i do think magic exists. The Sky pirates have a pye of magic in their sky ships. HP of course. YW also. Tamora Pierce talks of magic. As does Garth Nix.



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i LOVE the Edge Chornicles!! as people can tell from my signature and location. i sure did.

I'm christian, and the general idea of magic kinda goes against that, but I still beleive that people can do magical esque things because of God.

i agree with you 100% there/

[RhyanonSorenson]

Yes, I do. Though I don't believe that you can say an oath out of a work of fiction and have it work.The magic of fiction is just that, fiction. The magic of this world is vastly different from the magic in books. And the magic in books comes from a human fascination with feats that can be only dreamed about. The "coding" of this world, as you will, doesn't include the concept of magic.It may have in past times, or may not. But whatever the case, sometimes the coding can be faulty, which allows smaller feats to happen. Such as levitating, or other things like that.Also, sometimes magic can use the world's rules. I myself am pagan, and I believe that if you use your words/thoughts effectively, you can change the "coding". Just to put it into a technological view. I don't believe, per say, that science is magic. No, I see it as a human attempt to recreate something that either once was, or is wished to be there. Maybe magic was only available to a few, and science was used by someone who was jealous as a way that all people could do the same things. I don't know. But I know I believe in magic, just not as it is presented in literature, since those are worlds created in someone's head.Yes, there are some basic ideas that all authors share, and it is those ideas that actually are real, but the bigger stuff such as creating something out of nothing and all that are just not supported by this world's rules.

*Rueful grin* I guess I killed this topic. lol. ^_^

Merged two posts - Peter

[agfish92]

yes i think u did kill the topic. magic is real!!!!!! i swear!!!!!
ariel

[Dragon Writer]

Topic killer! Somboddy call the topic police! anyways, I definately think that magic is real. THere's just to much magic in the world for it not to be real. I know, i'm using the fact that magic is real to prove that magic is real, but you can't blame me for trying! ANd i really DO beleive in magic. Besides, in a way, that actually IS what made me believe in magic: having to many magical things happening to me.

[Karlina Ellison]

Of cocourseurse I believe in magic/magick. I'm a recent convert to a Celtic religion that deals with magick. And just for the credit, once I was playing with some of the guys in my grade when I was a senior in high school and we were always losing the hacky sack over the wall, which is what happens when you play Senior Centre Baseball. Well, one day NO ONE could find it. So I just made myself calm and said silently, "okay, where are you? Because we really need to find you." I waited a few seconds, went off in the direction I thought the hacky sack was in, and looked down. There it was, not three inches from my feet!

Also, I have had two dreams now that are exactly the same: I'm on my feet, then I levitate so that I'm parallel to the floor, and I can fly. Anybody else have this dream before? And has anybody else beside me dreamt about something VERY mundane happening, such as getting up to walk around the edge of the dinner table, and then not two days later that same thing happens? Or that you're sitting in the library at the desk watching people work on the computers while you're swinging the chair back and forth?

Also, one of my former best friends is in the same religion as I am, and she's done things before, too. Real things, with magick.

[Gigo]

KE: Real things? Like what?

Hacky-sack? That was just a coincidence.

Dreams? Uh...anyone home? I dreamt of sitting in my desk at school. Tomorrow, I was there! And my pencil fell off, in the same place as in the dream! x2!!!

Y'know, I was holding one of those cheap radios, and suddenly it started messing up. So I made myself calm, and thought: "C'mon, work!" And suddenly it was clear as day.

Thirty seconds later, it started screwing up again.

Hmm?

[Rycr]

Okay, this didn't really happen to me, but it happened to a friend of mine.

His dog was getting sick, and she had to be put to sleep. His little sister asked their dog to give them a sign when she reached the afterlife. Less than two days later, they began hearing very strange things, like the sound of a dog barking somewhere in the house, and the sound of dog tags jingling nearby. None of their neighbors have dogs.

As for me, I think I can affect my computer with my mind. Whenever I get really mad at it, usually if it has some sort of error that causes it to quit a game or something, it turns off and restarts. If the computer does the same thing some other time, and I don't get mad at it, it doesn't restart.

So, yeah, I do believe in magic. Unfortunately, I'm getting older and losing my imagination.

[kittymeow]

Originally posted by The Eternal Soldier:
Do you mean magic or magick

Well... it depends on your defenition of "magic." For the most part, no, I don't. For it (or anything) to work, something has to make it work, and it has to abide with the most simple and eternal rules of... existence: gravity, the matter-energy persistence (or whatever it's called) rule, the speed of light etc. The... well, I guess the traditional sense of magic is that by whatever means (spoken words or thoughts or whatnot) some reaction happens that seems to have little or no connection with what was done. This result is also often not even possible by the laws of physics. The only true way I can see that this is acceptable is to believe in *a* god(s), because without it/them magic is logically and physically impossible, so therefore the existence and us of it would be abstract, that is, random, and random does not exist. There is no such thing as random.

As for god{s}... to have a god that allows/created magic is a tough thing to have realistically, and by that I mean within the labyrinths and paradoxes of philosophy and logic. But, by the same note, I believe (not to start erratic arguments) that there is no such thing as an atheist, if only because the thought is so horrific that the human mind would never want to accept it.

But than, I don't believe in evolution, either. What do I know?

Well you are a very opinonated person now arnt you. now, some of it I do belive, however most of it I do not.

[Lamarquise]

Do I believe in magic?

I believe in a Creator, a benevolent, intelligent, perfect, and moral higher power that establishes the rules of our universe and is a source of strength and power and even miracles. That seems clear to me from the way the universe is set up.

I don't believe in worshipping nature or spirits or whatever. There's no moral basis there to build a universe on and our universe and the life on our planet is no accident. There is no power or intelligence or ethical principle in anything less than God sufficient that we could be justified in worshiping or honoring it.

I do believe there is power far greater than our own, even power that can appear to violate the natural order of things. But I don't believe it's to be wielded at our whim, with no regard for need, preparation, worthiness, and the ethical constraints and consequences that must accompany power. We have access to that kind of power only through a benevolent God who sets the conditions and to whom we will finally answer for any misuse of any power he grants us. And I don't believe God usually interferes in things without a good reason.

Otherwise, I think a lot of people infer correlations where none really exist or that have no higher significance. I think there's a lot of superstition out there and I think we have a tremendous capacity for convincing ourselves of things, even false and imaginary things, and for misinterpreting our experiences. I think a lot of people look for spirituality but don't want it to interfere in their lives or demand anything of them. Not that something more isn't out there, but that many people are looking for it in the wrong places and have the wrong ideas of what it is and what it requires.

I believe in the kind of magic that can happen when a faithful, humble person asks God for help in a matter he or she can't handle alone and that help is in line with God's will. So, I suppose that's my kind of magic.

[KizzyShima]

Believe in magic... Hmm...

I can't say there's anything wrong with believing in magic. I mean, there are so many things in the world that we think we understand that we could have completely wrong, that who knows, maybe magic is out there? I've never seen it in action, myself, but I've never seen anything to disprove it, either.

I don't believe in magic myself--but that comes from years of disbelief in things that cannot be explained. Which includes, for most purposes, religion. But I don't think there's anything wrong with believing in these sorts of things, either. As I said, I haven't seen anything that completely disproves the possibility.

If I find out for certain that magic does exist, that I will happily kick myself in the pants for not believing. But for now, I'll let people believe in what they want to believe, and I'll stick to my own beliefs.

[magicalmike]

Okay dont take this as a crazy luniticial rant but..

Of course i belive in magic. I belive their are many forms of magic to. One kind like speels and stuff, and another is (okay bear with me this sounds realy corny) the magic in things sutch as a perfect moment or a song or play. A play for instance is like a gateway into another world.

This also brings up the question where do we draw the line in defining the difference between reality and magic? Some people i Know would consider, say a song to be just some person, or group of people singing. Others, however, would say its something enirely different, something that touches your soul.

I think that each person can define what bye themselves what is real and what is magical.

[bluesalamanders]

kittymeow said:
Originally posted by The Eternal Soldier:
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But, by the same note, I believe (not to start erratic arguments) that there is no such thing as an atheist, if only because the thought is so horrific that the human mind would never want to accept it.

Well, that's a pretty ridiculous thing to say. How would he (assuming it's a he) like it if someone said something like "I don't think anyone actually believes in all that religion stuff, because it's just so ridiculous and the human mind is smarter than that."

(Yes, I know that was quoted from a long time ago; I felt it necessary to respond to it since it had been brought up.)

Blue

[Gryphon]

I haven't been reading the topic, but Blue quoting the line by Eternal Soldier caught my eye. Umm... for the people who don't know, I am atheist. I don't understand how such a thought is horrific. To me, trying to beleive in God is like trying to beleive in Santa Claus. I just can't.

I am not anti-religion, by the way; I have no problem with you beleiving in God, but I can't. And I don't feel oblidged to, either.

[Lamarquise]

Whoa...let's keep things cool here.

Let's just put it this way: athiests like believers telling them it's irrational not to believe in God about as much as believers like atheists telling them it's irrational to believe in God. And however inflammatory the statement in question might seem to one side or the other, please everyone realize that it's not as if either atheists or believers are really likely to understand coming from the other side very well? And is it so horrible for a believer to think it would be horrible not to believe? It's not so different from atheists assuming that there has to be something wrong with my brain or logic for me to believe.

Anyway...back to the regularly scheduled discussion!

[bluesalamanders]

Lamarquise -

The thing is, most atheists don't go around telling theists that their beliefs are irrational or that their brains are messed up or whatever, whereas there are an awful lot of theists who go out of their way to tell us (atheists) those sorts of things.

Also, there is a difference between assuming or thinking something and saying it. Whatever I think about the fact that you and whoever else believe in religion is my business, but I respect your right to believe what you believe. I don't go around telling you or anyone else that you're wrong or that nobody actually believes what you think you believe.

As long as it doesn't hurt other people, I don't care what you (general you) believe. I expect the same courtesy.

Blue