If Nita Had Died (Spoilers for later books)

[wolf_wizard]

Yes, but, the Powers make it hard and risky on purpose... for fun... So I think that it still would have a huge effect, though so would many other wizards. But I still think that Nita's would have been really big. And as for Dairine and Kit... i don't see Kit being with Dairine. Also, Dair wouldn't get her manual the same way; the Callahans would probably just let Dair use the one they were useing, because it was only one other person. Also, she wouldn't go to Mars the same way... Everything would be altered. And DD wouldn't write more of the YW books . But even if Dair did become a wizard (which I'm sure she would still) then Kit would be to hurt from Nita to be with her sister. and, as I said before, Dair isn't one of the wizards who work in parteners. She's very independent, and Only she (by herself) could go through her ordeal, thereby making it sould like she would be a partenerless (as in magic...)

And yes, I will stop my rant now.

Dai

[mysss]

We shouldn't assume that everything would go horribly wrong without her-- interventions would have been made by others. Maybe, for example, Kit would have done something about Nita's mom....The powers would make things work I think. Although that raises the issue of how much they ever intervene and all, so I guess it's hard to say. This seems kind of less likely as I write it-- Kit would be just as likely to avoid Nita's family...although they might ask him for help themselves...would they even remember how she died or anything? How would they have found out in the first place?

...wait, did they even know about wizardry before the end of DW when she was still alive?

[Emi]

I thought she told them before they went and did the song?? I could be mistaken, I haven't read DW in a while...

But really, would everything that happened later on happen? Or would it not exist, I think everything that happened later was because Nita and Kit somehow got involved in it. <span class="ev_code_WHITE">I mean, sure Ronan and others wouldn't be able to do the intervention right but they would end up doing it somehow.... maybe.. </span>You know what I don't even know what I'm trying to say... But would they still happen??

[alla]

Wolf_Wizard:
But even if Dair did become a wizard (which I'm sure she would still)

Dairine was leaning that way during Deep Wizardry anyway, so I don't think that if Nita had died that it would have stopped her. Knowing Dairine, she probably would have tried to find some way to bring Nita back .

Mysss:
...wait, did they even know about wizardry before the end of DW when she was still alive?

Yes, she and Kit told them, after Nita realised that she wasn't going to come back after the song. They took them to the moon, and bought back a piece of rock for Dairine, who was instantly jealous.

Oh, just wondering about the title of this thread. It says spoilers contained inside it, but the title itself is probably a spoiler. I know that the first time that I read DW, I was hanging off every word (I nearly had the book taken off me five times in class, because I was reading it whenever the teacher stopped talking (I don't think my classmates liked me that day, because I was doing the work far too quickly, and my teacher could see that I was reading and thus assumed that everyone else was finished)), because I didn't know whether she was going to come out of it alive or not. The thread title 'If Nita had died' kind of gives away that she does survive.

[wolf_wizard]

Yes, I Agree. I was stuck to the book from start to finish... and i know it really annoyed somepeople because I was rushing everything so I could read it. So, I think that it should have a spoiler warning, I mean, it was really intense for that reason, and I don't want to ruin it for ANYONE.

and... coming back to this I notice that it has been changed... thanks!

If Dairine could have become a wizard (and she could have still) then she would, because there was also the only thing that she could do in her ordeal that no one else could. So she kind of HAD to, you know? and i think she would welcome the escape from the pain of her mom and sisters death or just her sisters.

[Garrett Fitzgerald]

Originally posted by alla:
Oh, just wondering about the title of this thread. It says spoilers contained inside it, but the title itself is probably a spoiler.

That occurred to me, but heck, the cover art of the later books is a spoiler, if you go down that road. :-) I'm disinclined to worry about it, personally. (It was nice to read it back when there wasn't a next book in the series, so she really could have killed her off...)

[alla]

I didn't know that there was another book in the series when I read it. That was probably one of the reasons why I couldn't put it down.

*fends off Poot*

[wolf_wizard]

Same here. The library only had them when I needed the next book in the series, and even then, it was only the book that came next, so... I had no Idea that there was another one... and I really felt kind of worried that Nita would die, because she's my favorite character...

[spyells]

Originally posted by Garrett Fitzgerald:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by alla:
Oh, just wondering about the title of this thread. It says spoilers contained inside it, but the title itself is probably a spoiler.

That occurred to me, but heck, the cover art of the later books is a spoiler, if you go down that road. :-) I'm disinclined to worry about it, personally. (It was nice to read it back when there wasn't a next book in the series, so she really could have killed her off...) </div>[quote]

May I ask which book covers? There have been many different ones over the years. I don't mean to be a bother. But could you post a link or a picture of some of the covers.

[Garrett Fitzgerald]

I was thinking of The Wizard's Dilemma, the original art of which featured Nita working with a kernel. Of course, nothing said that that was actually Nita, so maybe that doesn't apply.

YoungWizards.com would be the obvious place to look for cover art, but the resolution is a bit too low to see if the same girl appears on each cover.

[wolf_wizard]

Well, as Nita is ahown on every one... you can kind of assume that... and I was wondering,how does it give away the story? I mean, It dosn't say that <span class="ev_code_WHITE">her mom died...</span>

[Birdhead]

Well, as Nita is ahown on every one... you can kind of assume that... and I was wondering,how does it give away the story?

I think what they mean is, if you've seen the Dilemma cover (or a bunch of other versions of Abroad, HW covers) you know Nita isn't going to die in DW, you see? Because she's on the covers.

I kind of want to make the "OMG, Romeo and Juliet die at the end? Spoilers oh noes!" joke right now. I actually read HW first (it was in the library) so yeah, I didn't really get the suspense thing, but I kinda liked it better that way. Much less rushing on the first read-through, you know?

Thinking about what might have happened if Nita hadn't been around - I think Dairine's Ordeal would have gone very differently. I think it's very likely she would still have become a wizard, but maybe a very different kind, much more introspective and more involved with other aspects of wizardry than computers - perhaps involved with facing the emotional fallout from Nita's death as it occurred from her sacrifice. As y'all mentioned, wizardry would be implicated in Nita's death for Dairine.

I think Dairine in this possible world is a Dairine that it would be much more easy to overshadow, also (and I mean, Dairine is arrogant and too clever and doesn't build good interpersonal relationships, she's <i>already</i> easy to overshadow.)

As for Abroad - well, I hate to say it, but Nita doesn't really do that much in Abroad. The coolest trick she does is turning Ronon into a soggy beermat. And I'm not saying it to be nasty, just saying that the Powers probably would have found someone to cover her shift, so to speak. As for Dilemma, to my mind the interesting question is not, does Betty survive her cancer or not, but does Betty get cancer? It's strongly implied that the LP deliberately (or semi-deliberately) attacked Betty because, well, her kids were doing such a good job and It wanted to make them ineffective.

OTOH. I have a feeling if the LP had offered Dairine the deal, she would have taken it. Except I don't think in this universe it would have been a quit-wizardry-or-I'll-kill-mommy thing, I think in this alternate universe it would be join-me-and-I'll-save-mommy, you know?

Actually, this universe is quite sinister! Mostly as it concerns Dairine but, well, an Evil Dairine could do a lot of harm, you know? And there are lots of ways I think Nita is replaceable - obviously she's wonderful, and she is a very gifted wizard with a strong talent. Still, ultimately her jobs could be done by someone else called to the task. (We know the Powers like to leave potential wizards to get as old as possible so they can have a normal childhood; perhaps it just would have sped up the waiting time for one kid or another.) The aspects in which Nita's absence really affect the world is the way her absence affects her family, especially Dairine (and of course Kit.)

[smile]

<span class="ev_code_RED">I don't know if I have extra spoilers - it feels like I do, even though it is now in the title</span>

I know that you've been talking about Dairine's ordeal - I think she would stll take it, but it might be different. While the Powers That Be might have fixed this, Nita did follow after her sister to help her and to prevent her from being too reckless. I think that Dairine probably would have still made the mobiles. Instead of behaving completely different on her ordeal I think she might have taken it later. On the Other Hand, she could have used wizardry as an escape from her pain, or an attempt to get Nita back.

About AWA, Nita did not exactly do much. She did, however, call for help (I haven't exactly read this one recently, I can't remember what they were called...), as a result the Fomori were driven away and the sword for the reenactment was received. This would have also happened, but Nita discover the Power inside Ronan. In addition, it was because of Nita that Dairine came.

Also, in W@W, Nita was vital to the Hesper. Again, she could have been replaced but... The matter of Ronan and The Spear of Light - it was Nita who saved him, with Kit's help. The Peredixes (spelling?) talked to only Nita, I don't know how that would have affected anything, or been affected...

[Rubywolf]

I was thinking about this recently when I reread deep wizardry. Strangely, I think the series would HAVE BEEN BETTER. It would have been awesome to have her as a main charachter, but she has to be restricted by TimeHeart. She would find a way to work outside of timeheart as well, side by side of kit as a "ghost." If this would have happened, then kit should die in a book too.

Maybe I'm malicous.

[smile]

That's not exactly malicious - not that I agrre. That might have been really great and I woulb be filled with posabilities, but I am far to attached to them to let them go. I think Kit would need to live for awhile, and then go to Timeheart too.